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Combining new workouts with BER Cycles

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4:10 pm
September 7, 2009


DHK1001

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I'm fairly sure I know what the answer is (start a new cycle.) but now that there are more examples of workouts- like the 90/30 workout sent out today or that workout Coach Sonnon posted last week http://www.rmaxi.com/flowcoach/?p=608 , how do we work these into a cycle.


I see these kinds of things as supplemental to the BER cycles. Each BER cycle has something it is working towards and cycles up to a peak. These posts seem more like something that I'd do for a couple of weeks as part of a cycle rather than as an actual cycle by itself. Hope that makes sense.


In a broader sense, I'm also asking about combining programs like Be Breathed or Intu Flow. I've come up with my own way of doing that, but am curious about the best ways to do that and things to be careful of.


I'm fairly sure one of the basic "rules" of BER was to keep sessions under 30 minutes in length. As a trainee progresses, does this change? What about one 30 minute session of the BER cycle currently being used and then later (an hour, 2 hours??) one of these other workouts as a 15 minute supplement?


Finally, and a bit off topic- the forums are starting to get a lot of information. But I see the postings all in oldest to newest, rather than newest to oldest. Is this a setting on my end or is that just the way the forum is set up? I'd really like to see new topics and replies at the top of the forum rather than having to go find them.


Thanks!


6:50 pm
September 7, 2009


admin

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Hi,

I think I can change the order in which the posts are presented. I'll look into it…

As far as your question goes, it's pretty loaded. :)

Coach Sonnon has written several volumes in order to give the answer to what only takes a few paragraphs to ask.

But the starting point in understanding what you are asking about is to understand what your goals are. We are always repeating in CST that you are fit FOR something. That's an important distinction.

So when you are putting together different tools from CST (exercises, workouts, protocols, etc), you have to assemble them for your specific goal. Even if it's simply general health, fitness and well-being, you have to define what areas you are lacking in and what you need to develop. Ryan wrote an awesome section devoted to this in Bodyweight Blueprint For Fat Loss—explaining the Training Hierarchy Pyramid in terms of the goal of fat loss.

Once you understand your goal, it becomes much easier to start assembling pieces that may previously have seemed disparate. Now you just need to follow the path of the THP through General, Specific, Specific Skill and Mental/Emotional Preparedness.

When we post workouts for you, in a way it isn't quite fair. You aren't seeing the larger context in which the workouts are developed and performed. But at the same time we want to provide examples and inspiration to help you come up with your own stuff. These sessions can also be incorporated in entirety into your training depending on your goals and your knowledge.

Also, it doesn't hurt every now and then to throw a curve ball into your training by trying out one of these "challenges."

To come full circle. We strongly recommend that people first starting out just follow a new routine as written, without trying to adapt it in any way. That's how you fully grasp the material and are then able to remold it. Even at an advanced level this continues to hold true. Right now I am working through the entire Tacfit program in its entirety without any adaptation. That's how I'll truly absorb the lessons Coach Sonnon has woven into it.

I hope that starts to answer some of your questions. Don't be shy to keep the conversation going in this thread though…

Cheers,
Adam

8:03 pm
September 7, 2009


DHK1001

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I'm not going to be trying to vary much from the programs as designed because that's likely been the biggest source of failure for me and workout programs in the past. Something new catches my eye and I either switch to it or try to add it in to what I'm already doing. I"ve been pretty well focused on BER for the last… 5months? gee…


Anyway- I've been seeing improvement and am mostly content. One of these days I'm going to have to post how things have progressed.


I have added a few things into the GA cycle for pulling work. I think it's important to have that work for my martial arts activities.


Was I correct about the 30 minutes for a workout? I don't remember if that was in the book or maybe a forum post. What about doing a second workout later? Right now, I'm working on cycling in Be Breathed into my main BER workout.


I've been doing the full Intu Flow much later. I have lots of fee time at work.Laugh I still do the flow that comes with BER as a warmup.


I'm not sure what I'd stick in that seperate section, but increasing the pulling exercises is one thing that I'd consider. Currently, I'm working on my own homemade horizontal pullup progression. I'd like to do a bit more though, maybe using bands and/or KB.


4:53 am
September 8, 2009


admin

Admin

posts 253

Was I correct about the 30 minutes for a workout? I don't remember if that was in the book or maybe a forum post.

Most of the sessions in BER last somewhere from 30 to 45 minutes. That's the zone where we're getting the most benefit and the least breakdown. It's the zone where we're getting the best hormonal response to exercise. And it's also something that will fit into people's daily lives.


What about doing a second workout later?

This depends on your goals and your current training experience. The Double Density is a great example of training more than once per day. We'll have examples of that in the Clubbell project due out in December. But yes, it can be done. Again, you have to figure out if it fits with your goal. And you have to be very careful to monitor how you react physically, mentally and emotionally to increaseing the workload. Does your RPE or RPD go up, your RPT go down. Do you become irratable, etc…


I've been doing the full Intu Flow much later. I have lots of fee time at work.Laugh I still do the flow that comes with BER as a warmup.

Super!

Hope that helps.

Cheers

Adam

8:01 am
September 8, 2009


DHK1001

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posts 26

Those are all very helpful answers.


So If I had X aspect of my training that I really wanted to focus on, say Fat Loss, would doing one of the hybrid workouts a couple of hours after my General Athleticism High day be a version of the Double Density training? Or what about a "pre-workout"? Say the moderate day Strength workout a couple of hours before the Moderate day Strength workout of GA? In that case, I'd probably drop the RPE of the pre-workout.


Some things clearly wouldn't go together, like Fat Loss and Hypertrophy, but Strength and Hypertrophy might be something to consider.


From the sounds of it, the clubbell project is going to introduce a new set of protocols that would help one progress. Are the protocols Clubbell specific or would the BER exercises be good substitutes? I suffer from both low income and low ceilings, so might not be any clubbells in my immediate future.


(My fiendish plot is to get you to reveal more and more of the next book. Of course, if I left you alone, you'd actually have the time to get it out.)


Almost forgot- thanks for changing the way posts show up. Much easier finding new stuff.

8:20 am
September 8, 2009


admin

Admin

posts 253

Unfortunately, those scenarios are too hypothetical.

If you wanted to post specific details about where you are in your training, your current conditioning level, your goals, etc. And then also post a sample of the program you're proposing for yourself. We could probably give you some direction as to whether it's feasible.

Cheers,

Adam

8:35 pm
September 9, 2009


DHK1001

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I wasn't really looking to come up with an all new plan. That typically just gets me in trouble. I was mainly interested in just hypothesizing.


I figure if I'm still struggling with doing the full GA strength workout, I don't really need to add on a supplementary workout elsewhere.



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