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11:29 am
November 13, 2009


MattV

Ohio

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Hi Guys -

I started using your Fun-demental program several weeks ago and I really liked it so I got your BER program.  I am starting the MRC cycle and I have a few questions about some of the exercises as I am having some problems. 

First off, I want you to know I am quite overweight, so I know this plays into some of the problems.  Ok, now the problems.  The one-legged squats I can get down to the correct posture, but I cannot get back up.  I am substituting just a regular squat right now, is there anything else I can do (adjustment to the exercise) or should I just stick with the substitute?

I have found that the leg swoops and the wheel/table exercises seem to be putting a lot of pressure on my elbows, am I doing something wrong?  I am trying to make sure I use the form shown in the video but after a just one set my elbows are starting to hurt.  The wheel/table also really stretches my biceps and I have had to move my hand position so that the fingers point more like 90 degrees to the body, othewise the stretch in the bicep is uncomfortable.

Much like the one-legged squat the jump squat is really tough, I can not do more than a couple before my form is shot.  Is there something I can substitute for this exercise or should I just keep the repetitions low?

Ok, one last issue - for the prasara yoga, the initial pose, I cannot get my elbow to the outside of the knee. How can I adjust this exercise?

12:41 pm
November 13, 2009


admin

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The one-legged squats I can get down to the correct posture, but I cannot get back up.  I am substituting just a regular squat right now, is there anything else I can do (adjustment to the exercise) or should I just stick with the substitute?

A two-legged squat is a fine substitution. If you want, you can also try doing the one legged squat and then using your free leg to help you back to the starting position. This is called an "eccentric" and is often used to help build up strength towards being able to do the full movement.


I have found that the leg swoops and the wheel/table exercises seem to be putting a lot of pressure on my elbows, am I doing something wrong?  I am trying to make sure I use the form shown in the video but after a just one set my elbows are starting to hurt.  The wheel/table also really stretches my biceps and I have had to move my hand position so that the fingers point more like 90 degrees to the body, othewise the stretch in the bicep is uncomfortable.

Both these exercises should be done with the arms locked out (meaning no bend in the elbow). This will obviously remove the strain. A good trick to use while working into these exercises is to use a raised surface to put your hands on. This could be a solid coffee table, bench or chair. Simply put your hands on that surface instead of on the floor.

Much like the one-legged squat the jump squat is really tough, I can not do more than a couple before my form is shot.  Is there something I can substitute for this exercise or should I just keep the repetitions low?

Just start with the jumps and switch to squats as soon as your form begins to deteriorate.

Ok, one last issue - for the prasara yoga, the initial pose, I cannot get my elbow to the outside of the knee. How can I adjust this exercise?

Press your forearm against the outside of the thigh instead. Try this. If it does not work let us know.

Stick with it Matt and you'll be richly rewarded. Please don't hesitate to ask as many questions as you need.

Cheers,

Adam

2:00 pm
November 15, 2009


MattV

Ohio

Member

posts 9

Thanks for the tips!  I am still having some problems.  I think I did my left elbow a mischief on the first round as the wheel/table exercise is killing it.  Even when I keep the elbow locked, once the weight transfers to that elbow – as in the transition into and out of the position – it hurts a lot.  So I am trying to ice, etc. it.   Also, that exercise really puts a large stretch from the inside elbow across the shoulders and chest and back down into the other elbow pit, so much that it is fairly uncomfortable once into the table position.  I was using a box that is about 16″ off the ground this last time (I didn't have anything else available with the correct width).  I am wondering if I should continue with this exercise?  If I cannot, is there something I can substitute for it?

I did a little test run with the eccentric one-legged squat – I think I will have to work on the form some, but I think that will work.  I did a couple of jump squats then finished out the set with regular squats, even just a couple of the jump squats really activates the quads, feels good.  As for the leg sweeps, I played around a bit and found a small lift (about 4″) seemed to work out well, I cannot do the full 10/10 set more than once, after that I am doing about 5/5 or 6/6 and I feel pretty wiped out at that point and form starts to become a problem.

Just for clarification on the yoga position you mentioned above – when using the forearm, am I still trying to keep the hands pointing (fingers being the point) up towards the face or should they be pointed towards the floor?  Towards the floor seems like it should work better, but I thought I would ask.

Thanks!!

7:11 pm
November 16, 2009


admin

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Even when I keep the elbow locked, once the weight transfers to that elbow – as in the transition into and out of the position – it hurts a lot.  So I am trying to ice, etc. it.   Also, that exercise really puts a large stretch from the inside elbow across the shoulders and chest and back down into the other elbow pit, so much that it is fairly uncomfortable once into the table position.  I was using a box that is about 16″ off the ground this last time (I didn't have anything else available with the correct width).  I am wondering if I should continue with this exercise?  If I cannot, is there something I can substitute for it?

Anything causing discomfort above a 3 on a scale of 1-10 must be discontinuted. For now, you can try substituting with the Lower Body Russian twist explained in the free FUN-Damentals ebook…

As for the leg sweeps, I played around a bit and found a small lift (about 4″) seemed to work out well, I cannot do the full 10/10 set more than once, after that I am doing about 5/5 or 6/6 and I feel pretty wiped out at that point and form starts to become a problem.

Keep working like this — respecting your Rate of Perceived Technique…

Just for clarification on the yoga position you mentioned above – when using the forearm, am I still trying to keep the hands pointing (fingers being the point) up towards the face or should they be pointed towards the floor?  Towards the floor seems like it should work better, but I thought I would ask.

Yep, that's correct. Hands pointed to the floor. Use your forearm to press into your outer thing for the twist.

Cheers,

Adam


10:53 am
November 30, 2009


MattV

Ohio

Member

posts 9

I am almost finished with my first 28 day cycle.  I feel a lot more energetic than when I first started the program.  I am wondering if I should add some additional workouts to what I am doing.  I have added some walking on days where I can find the time, usually the weekends.  I have looked around the forum and I see 'cocktailing' mentioned and usually in a negative way.  I am not 100% on what you are referring to in this regard.  Could you please explain this concept in more detail and how/why it is bad?

Also, since my main goal at the moment it continued fat loss, once I complete a 4×7 cycle, do I just start over at the beginning of the MRC cycle or just keep doing hybrids in the 4×7 format?  Maybe that is a silly question, but I would still like to know.

I am really enjoying the Prasara yoga flow, can I do it more frequently than just the Low Intensity days?


Thanks!!

9:59 am
December 1, 2009


Ryan Murdock

Canada

Admin

posts 131

Great work! Sounds like you're making solid progress.

That feeling of having more gas in your tank, of having more energy than you've felt in a long time, is supposed to be there. People forget that the word "training" implies that we're training for something. "Working out" has become an end in itself, and in general we think that if we're not wiped out and exhausted all the time from our exercise (the walking wounded), we're not doing enough. Remember: you're training to be better prepared for your day t o day life. Take this new energy and go out and enjoy your life with it. Have some fun! Do stuff you haven't been able to do in a while. Don't feel that you have to spend it on more exercise.

>I have looked around the forum and I see 'cocktailing' mentioned and usually in a negative way.  I am not 100% on what you are referring to in this regard.  Could you please explain this concept in more detail and how/why it is bad?

Sure. Cocktailing refers to mixing different training protocols which target competing energy systems into the same workout or training cycle. At best you will merely slow your progress – the results you reap won't be what you're expecting, and they won't be predictable. At worst you're setting yourself up for injury.

For example, let's say you wanted to train strength, and also speed/agility. Working heavy squats in the same cycle or the same session as movements to increase leg speed/agility will not cause improvements in both of your goals. You may improve a bit in strength if you're lucky, but speed/agility will most certainly regress. You're better off working a cycle of strength, and then following that with a cycle of speed/agility, during which you take the strength gains from your previous cycle and channel them into the athletic endeavour you're pursuing (in this case speed/agility). None of these ideas are new or startling – it's been well accepted in sport science research for decades.


>Also, since my main goal at the moment it continued fat loss, once I complete a 4×7 cycle, do I just start over at the beginning of the MRC cycle or just keep doing hybrids in the 4×7 format?  Maybe that is a silly question, but I would still like to know.

Not a silly question at all! If you're enjoying the fat loss program and still motivated by it, start over but bump up your level of movement sophtistication whenever possible (you may not be able to jump an entire level across the board, but you should be able to increase with some of the movements while the others catch up). Or, you can choose another program from the book. Strength or Hypertrophy would be good possibilities given your goals.


>I am really enjoying the Prasara yoga flow, can I do it more frequently than just the Low Intensity days?

Of course. Just make sure you don't do it so much that it begins to compete with your training. It should be compensatory recovery rather than "work".

If you aren't already doing so, try using the Prasara flow to unload right after the "work" sessions of your Moderate and High intensity days. You'll get a really great, deep release when you're core is heated and your muscles nice and juicy.


Ryan Murdock RMAX Faculty Coach http://www.rmaxstaff.com/murdock/

5:51 pm
December 2, 2009


MattV

Ohio

Member

posts 9

>>Take this new energy and go out and enjoy your life with it. Have some fun! Do stuff you haven't been able to do in a while. Don't feel that you have to spend it on more exercise.


Very good advice!  I do not "feel" that I have to spend it on exercise, it is just that I have not felt as motivated to want to work out as much as I do right now and would like to take advantage of that.


>> If you aren't already doing so, try using the Prasara flow to unload right after the "work" sessions of your Moderate and High intensity days. You'll get a really great, deep release when you're core is heated and your muscles nice and juicy.

I have not been doing this, but this is exactly what I am looking for.  I have some issues with my shoulders and I want to try and get them stretched as much as I can. 


Thank you for the explanation of cocktailing, I had not heard the term used before and it makes sense to me now. I will look into the strength and hypertrophy cycles and see if I will try one of those or continue with the MRC.  I am quite overweight and I am tired of being so, so I am working on getting over that – have a long way to go.

7:07 pm
December 2, 2009


MattV

Ohio

Member

posts 9

Say, I was going through some of the other routines and I noticed that the leg swoops in the MRC cycle and the ones in the General Athleticism cycle are different.  Also, that goes with the spinal rock in both of these cycles.  Can you shed some light on the differences and why they are this way?  I am interested in that both the exercises as done in the MRC cycle have given me some trouble.  I am trying to work around a belly issue (too damn big) for these exercises.  For the leg swoops it is hard to keep both hands on the ground when doing the swoop and the spinal rock really winds me, I find it hard to keep a consistent breathing pattern when doing the spinal rock. Thanks!

11:01 pm
December 2, 2009


Ryan Murdock

Canada

Admin

posts 131

Matt,

>I do not "feel" that I have to spend it on exercise, it is just that I have not felt as motivated to want to work out as much as I do right now and would like to take advantage of that.

Cool, just making sure. It can become a burden for many, and it's easy to forget what we're training for.

We'll help you accelerate the pace as fast as good health and safety permit. Just remember, the gains are made on the recovery days. If you keep kicking back into work you short circuit the "building/recovery" phase, and that's kinda like putting your money in investments but yanking it back out before they pay off. It's something I have to keep reminding myself of, because I find it much easier to add more training than to take more recovery time.


For the leg swoop, see http://www.bodyweightcoach.com…..p;search=1


For the spinal rocks, is it a problem of girth (feeling like you're being smothered or crushed)? Are you holding your breath through the movement? Trying to go too quickly without having ironed out the kinks?

Also, have you got a copy of my Beyond Situps download tutorial? I know we included it with bonuses on a few of our product sales.


Keep up the good work Matt. You're getting there, and you're asking the right sort of questions. Smile

Ryan Murdock RMAX Faculty Coach http://www.rmaxstaff.com/murdock/

11:59 am
December 3, 2009


MattV

Ohio

Member

posts 9

>>Just remember, the gains are made on the recovery days. If you keep kicking back into work you short circuit the "building/recovery" phase, and that's kinda like putting your money in investments but yanking it back out before they pay off. It's something I have to keep reminding myself of, because I find it much easier to add more training than to take more recovery time.

I understand, when I add some walking in, I try and do it on the Moderate or High intensity days.  I have been trying not to do anything on the No days except the IF. 

 >>For the spinal rocks, is it a problem of girth (feeling like you're being smothered or crushed)? Are you holding your breath through the movement? Trying to go too quickly without having ironed out the kinks?

I am definitely not holding my breathe, I seem more to be gasping like I cannot breathe in fast enough or get a deep enough breath.  The girth does get in the way, I am trying to use it, as in when you roll up to the shoulders I use that as an exhale point because my stomache is compressing out the breath anyways.  In thinking more about this, perhaps I am trying to do the movement too quickly.  Is their a pace that would be recommended?


>>Also, have you got a copy of my Beyond Situps download tutorial? I know we included it with bonuses on a few of our product sales.

No, I do not have this tutorial.

10:16 am
December 4, 2009


Ryan Murdock

Canada

Admin

posts 131

Matt,

It may be the pace. It could also be control with the movement. I'd like you to try some super-slow spinal rocks, the most basic version, focusing on artculating the spine and rolling one vertebra at a time. That's a great way to reveal gaps in your strength, or areas of tension or discomfort. It should help us zero in on the issue you're having. It'll also give us an insight into whether or not your breathing is totally on.

Sent you a PM through the forum.


>I am definitely not holding my breathe, I seem more to be gasping like I cannot breathe in fast enough or get a deep enough breath.

Do you experience breathing problems with any other exercises, or with anything else in general?

Ryan Murdock RMAX Faculty Coach http://www.rmaxstaff.com/murdock/

5:19 pm
December 4, 2009


MattV

Ohio

Member

posts 9

>>Do you experience breathing problems with any other exercises, or with anything else in general?


Yes, any of the exercises where I am crunched up, like the leg swoops with both hands on the ground.  I naturally breathe with my belly, so when it is compressed I have noticed it is harder to breathe or take a deep breath.  So like going from leg swoops to spinal rock is tough.  After about the first set or so I spend most of my rest time trying to catch my breath.  I have not made the rest periods any shorter than 30 sec, as on the Hi intensity days I feel I can barely catch up before starting the next set.


I will try the slow spinal rocks and see what happens.

9:35 am
December 5, 2009


Ryan Murdock

Canada

Admin

posts 131

Yes, please try the very slow spinal rocks. It may be a matter of repatterning your breathing to exhalation-focused, or it may be a bit of belly pressing down when you're in a compressed position, making you feel crushed. That might also be helped by exhalation focus (that sensation of being crushed can induce a feeling of mild panic, causing you to inhale or brace rather than exhale through – it happened to me in the beginning with some of those movements too). The slow spinal rocks might give us a clue.


Ryan Murdock RMAX Faculty Coach http://www.rmaxstaff.com/murdock/

6:48 pm
December 7, 2009


MattV

Ohio

Member

posts 9

Ok, so I tried some very slow spinal rocks.  The breathing seemed to go much better, although by the end of a set I still seem to be losing track of when to inhale and exhale.  It is like I reach a point where I am inhaling/exhaling and I am only part way through the movement and then start the opposite (does that make sense?), then I end up on an odd inhalation/exhalation at the end of a movement.  I think I need to work on integrating the movement with the breathing.  I was doing the movement more like what is shown on the MRC video and I think I may be doing the pace too fast, especially on the high intensity days. 

I have to say Ryan that the extra pointers really explain the movement much better.  I feel I have a much better grasp of what the spinal rock is about.  I think I was just doing the movement without a complete understanding.  I found that with the slow spinal rocks that I have a sticking point when curling up the torso.  It seems my girth is preventing or impeding me really getting a curl once the upper torso is just beyond what a regular crunch position would be.  I don't feel my lower back really curving, it is more like lifting off the ground.  It is a little better when rolling back down, but not by much.  Also, lifting the legs up is not going to happen when I am going slow, I just cannot curl/lift my back and legs up.  When I was doing them earlier with more speed I was using my momentum to get my legs and back up.

I feel like I should do them on my next cycle going slow, at least for the first few circuits to work on the movement, breathing and build up some strength.  I would like your opinion on this please.

9:46 am
December 8, 2009


Ryan Murdock

Canada

Admin

posts 131

The breathing seemed to go much better, although by the end of a set I still seem to be losing track of when to inhale and exhale.  It is like I reach a point where I am inhaling/exhaling and I am only part way through the movement and then start the opposite (does that make sense?), then I end up on an odd inhalation/exhalation at the end of a movement.  I think I need to work on integrating the movement with the breathing.

Yes. Focus on integrating breath, movement and structure. That's a key goal with all of the Intu-Flow movements as well.

You can add the practice of these very slow spinal rocks on your Mod and High days. Work up to 10, and if you feel you're losing track of the breath or getting mixed up (as above), that's your cue to slow down, pause for a sec, and get back on track. You can only go as fast as you can keep good form.


I feel like I should do them on my next cycle going slow, at least for the first few circuits to work on the movement, breathing and build up some strength.  I would like your opinion on this please.

Yes, see above. Only as fast as you can maintain your breath w/ this movement. Let's see if that's enough to repattern your breathing.


Ryan Murdock RMAX Faculty Coach http://www.rmaxstaff.com/murdock/

5:32 am
December 12, 2009


MattV

Ohio

Member

posts 9

It has been a few days, thought I would give an update.  I finished the 1st 4×7 MRC cycle on 12/7/09 and I did something to my right elbow, so I spent a couple of days just doing intuflow, prasara and working on rehab for my elbow.  It is doing better so I have started my second MRC cycle.  After our discussions here and reviewing the material again I felt I needed to do the cycle over again to work on form and my breathing.  I am really trying to focus on good form and breathing with that form.  I still need some work, but it is getting better.  When in trouble I stop for a second and reset my breathing pattern.

I have been keeping a really basic chart of my progress based on weight, body fat %, and some basic body measurements.  I have a scale that does the body fat %, while I am not sure it is 100% accurate, I am using it as a baseline and as a consistent point of measurement.  So at the end of the first 4×7 MRC I have not made major changes in weight loss, but this was through Thanksgiving and after Thanksgiving I was not really watching my eating very well for a bit.  I have lost 2lbs of weight (down to 280), 1% of bodyfat (went from 35 to  34 on the scale), and 1″ from my natural waist.  My trousers do feel looser and I am on the last hole on the belt I have, so I did lose some weight, although I suspect I have added some muscle as well.

And this shows up in how I started this new 4×7.  I moved up to Roccas, for leg swoops I am now doing 8/8 or 9/9 for every set, and I did an entire circuit of eccentric one-legged squats (45 sec each leg x 4).  I feel my fitness is getting much better.  I really enjoy doing these workouts and exercises, thanks!

6:50 am
December 12, 2009


admin

Admin

posts 253

You're making good progress Matt. Couple your hard work with a dialed in diet and you'll accellerate that even more!

Don't put any stock in the BEI technology in your bodyfat scale. I've tried a ton of them and none of them have been accurate. I even have a buddy who bought the $10,000 professional model for his studio. He doesn't use it except to weight people. He went back to calipers because the results were so shoddy.

Rely on your belt size, your cloths and your measurements. It sounds like you're going in the right direction. If you want to REALLY know what your % BF is doing, find yourself a skilled skinfold practitioner.

Keep it up! :)

Adam



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