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Intermittent Fasting

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9:17 am
November 4, 2009


mary iverson

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Hi All!

I decided to start a topic on intermittent fasting –if that's ok. I've been interested in it for awhile and I know some of you out there are too. Well after getting all clear from blood tests I decided to try one. I only did a 16 hour fast, I did workout in a fasted state and I didn't eat after my workout for 45 min then I ended the fast and ate my normal breakfast food (yogurt/kefir/etc) not the my usual post workout shake. Well I felt fine I was doing my design work from home that day…food was NOT in my every waking thought as it usually is. Felt hunger, but didn't feel like I had to eat. Sometime around 4:30 I started to feel really lightheaded and decided to eat something. 

So I broke my fast at 11:30 am and then didn't eat until 4:30 pm that's very unusual for me. I am a foodie who generally wants to snack all the time (meals are NEVER a problem only snacks). One part of me felt like I was tipsy the other part felt anxious not liking that tipsy feeling. I've heard some people fast or totally go anorexic because they like the euphoric feeling. Now I don't want to go there!

Anyone else having experiences or advice they would like to share about intermittent fasting? I'm not sure if I could go the full 24 hours fast, but I think 16-18 hours is something I can handle 1-2x a week. BTW the people I did share my ONE day experience with are already worried about me. I realize IF is a way of producing a caloric deficit, but I also see it as a way to get your brain off food thoughts all day, plus getting used to feeling hungry and not feeling like you MUST eat now is good for me.

Wish me luck! I really want to get back down to my "fighting weight" and please share your thoughts.

mary

4:16 am
November 8, 2009


Lori Miller

Member

posts 4

Hi Mary, 


I've been experimenting with IF on and off for the last 6 months or so.  I really like Brad Pilon's attitude to food – that there is no such thing as "good" or "bad"  and that the equation is pretty simple, eat less, weigh less.   

Having spent a fair bit of my life being OCD about food, I had bulimia when I was younger and became quite disorderd in my thinking, adopting extreme diets such a macrobiotics (god this was so long ago!)  vegetarianism, the Gerson diet – mostly raw, lots of juice and coffee enemas!  I was always more concerned about being really healthy than losing weight because I'm fortunate in having always been quite slim.  I think I still have that tendency and have to watch myself.  Brad's attitude feels really sensible to me.   And since the latest on what's actuallly good for you changes rapidly it's a quite a balancing act to eat healthy.  I had actually put on about about a stone (14 lbs)  from a combination of boring sedentary job and overeating a high-protein, low carb diet.

So, I always liked the idea of IF, partly because of the health benefits (see, those old habits die hard!)  but I found it difficult to integrate into my life.  Other people do freak out a bit if you tell them you're fasting – it just sounds so exteme!  And there's so much misinformation out about there about having to eat  constantly and not skip meals.   I think you have to be a bit crafty and choose days and times when you won't be faced wtih other people's curiosity, at least until you feel more confident about the benefits.

It seems the exact length of fasting time is not crucial – I read a whole posting somewhere on the net about what precisely happens in your body when you go without food and anything over 13 hours should get into the real fat-burning phase (if that's what you're after) but you probably know that. I've done quite a lot of reading about it.  Some of the mouse studies have shown benefit even from alternating days  of eating till satisfied with days of restricted eating so just eating less on some days, even if don't manage a full fast will do you some good.

My own experience has been mixed.  I think so much of what happens is mental. Like you, I rarely experience much physical hunger, even on my very first 24 hour fast this past week.   I fasted from lunchtime to lunchtime and felt great, though the last few hours I was aware I was on the home stretch and although I had no real hunger, didn't feel ravenous or anything, I certainly had the desire to eat or at least was looking forward to the moment when I would be "allowed" to do so. 

At first, when I even contemplated the idea of going without food, I would get quite anxious but I've come to enjoy the feeling of emptiness.  I think you're right to have an awareness of how this could become an unhealthy attitude if taken to exteme.  Personally I think doing HIIT wind sprints is far more addictive in the endorphin/euphoria stakes.  But alot of eating disorders are about control and feelings so as long as you're not punishing yourself by not eating – or start to feel bad or unhealty when you do,  then you'll probably be ok.

Do you get headaches?  I got really bad headaches to begin with, but that seems to be less of a problem now.  Also, how do you feel once you have eaten?   I noticed after my 24 hour fast that (which I broke with big green salad and some smoked mackeral with horseradish- yum!) that I felt very sleepy immediately afterwards, which I normally associate with a high-carb meal.  Odd.

It's been interesting to notice how my attitude to eating has changed.  I'm far more likely to simply decide not to eat if I'm not hungry. In the past I think I would probably have eaten anyway, particularly in the evenings when I'm often not hungry after about 6pm, but I'm usually the one cooking dinner!   My partner has benefitted too, although he doesn't IF, he has somehow picked up on that message and has lost his middle-aged middle just by stopping eating when he's full.  Our wormery runneth over. 

Anyway, good luck with it.  I never though I could go 24 hrs and it took me a few months to work up to it, but as I said, the actual number of hours probably doesn't matter all that much. 


xx Lori

7:05 pm
November 8, 2009


mary iverson

Member

posts 11

Hi Lori,

It's nice to read your experience with IF. No I haven't got any headaches so far. After doing more reading about IF online I decided to try 14 hours fasts since it's very doable for me. Since I don't really like to eat late at night or early in the morning I can cut off easily at 6 or 7 pm and fast until 8-9am have my usual yogurty breakfast and workout then have my postworkout drink. So it all seems very normal to me, but I'm just eating less during the feeding times since I am not as hungry. You write you do not have a weight problem so you never really experienced weight loss with IF? Do you get cold? My body gets very cold–it worries me a bit. Do you workout in a fasted state? I read conflicting things about lifting weights in a fasted state. Because I have anxiety problems I feel better knowing I've had a bit to eat before I workout–esp with weights (or bodyweight), but I'm not afraid to workout fasted I just have to watch myself. Ha ha about the HIIT/euphoria I used to get that when I took kung fu and we would do "one minute drills" which were killer! Otherwise I never get it much and honestly it would probably just make me feel anxious:-)

And your right I told 2 women about IF while out shopping and they think I am doing the master cleanse! Yeah right! LOL. IF does have a really great thing going for it–when you are hungry you don't have to give in–this evening when out to eat with the husb the food tasted awful so I told them I didn't want it…they offered to make me something else and I said no thank you…and then told my husb that's the great thing about IF…I'm used to going hungry now!

mary

4:50 am
November 9, 2009


Jamie Louise

Australia

Member

posts 52

Thanks girls, you have inspired me to give this another try. I love everything Brad says and it all makes sense, but I find it so hard to make the right time. I think this is more an anxiety issue.  

I’ve tried fasting three times and only got to 21 hrs. That last bit is hard. Think I made it hard by going from dinner to dinner; it is a really long day. I’m going to give the midday to midday a try, sounds easier to keep busier just for morning.


JL

~ Finding Wellness for life in Fitness & in Health ~ Namaste JAMIE LOUISE

2:27 pm
November 11, 2009


mm356

Member

posts 4

I've followed Brad's IF program for 4 months now and have lost around 33 lbs. as a result.  In addition, I used calipers to track my bodyfat percentage along the way (I was concerned with losing muscle along with the fat), and I found that the BF% dropped accordingly to where almost 100% of the lost pounds were pure fat!  I would routinely do 2 24-hour fasts per week (dinner to dinner) and didn't find them all that difficult.  I found that yes, you are hungry, but your hunger never increases.  After a few times, you actually just start forgetting about the hunger altogether.  Fasting also brought out my competitive side as well, and once I started the clock I was determined not to eat ANYTHING that would break it.  By doing so, I found it was actually easier to say no to those free office donuts on a fast day that it would have been on a non-fasting day – too much was at stake on a fasting day.  Anyway, it has worked great for me and I am grateful for it.  Give it a shot!

6:49 pm
November 11, 2009


mary iverson

Member

posts 11

Hi All, 

Thanks for all the replies–I have a new question about your IF experiences. If you are doing let's say two 18-24 hours fasts a week what would you say your non fasting days are like? Do you find you are still not eating for a certain period of time like 12 or 14 or 16 hours? I'm very curious because I do not want to get carried away with fasting. My long fasts are only 18 hours (I will probably slowly tack on 30 min extra as the 18 hours gets easier), however on non fasting days I'm going 12-16 hours since I'm getting used to cutting my eating by 7pm. Is this chronic fasting? I don't want to negate to good things IF can do for me. 

BTW that last 18 hour fast was a bear! The last 2 hours I really had to keep myself distracted.

5:26 pm
November 12, 2009


mm356

Member

posts 4

On non-fasting days I made sure to eat 3 square meals a day, but still making sure those meals were nutritious.  You can ruin a good fast real easy by going overboard on the non-fasting days.  If your 12 hours includes the time you sleep (say 7pm – 7am), I wouldn't worry about it – that's perfectly normal.  But if you're going like 6 am – 6 pm or something then I'd be sure to eat some more.  The rule of thumb is to keep eating normally on non-fasting days in order to keep the metabolism going so it will burn the fat on the non-fasting days.



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